The issue of Veil and few British Muslems
In the past couple of weeks all of you have surely heard about Jack Straw's comment on women's mask (or burqa or neqab or whatever you want to call it). There are misunderstandings on both sides:
1) Those Muslem women who insist on covering their face because of religion must be very ignorant. They are either unable to read religious text, or they don't want to read and prefer to listen to what the imam or their husbands say.
Just look at the Hajj: the most religious of all religious rituals. During Hajj, regardless of national customs and tribal traditions, women are not allowed to cover their faces or their prayers and rituals would not be accepted. This is while tens of thousands of women and men walk side by side in an extremely crowded environment.
2) Some British politicians do not realise that covering the face is actually a local/tribal tradition and not a religious order. It's simple, look at the different ways Muslem women dress up across Muslem countries, from North Africa to Indonesia.
I think that you are more ignorant than those whom you are accusing of being ignorant! You have to understand that you are not in a position to accuse people of their lifestyle in a liberal society. This is not Iran where everybody wants to interfere in everything. For those women, it is their own choice to wear veil or go naked. But That's not your business!
Any way, if those women with veil were to teach my kids, I would get my children out of that school. Because the vail now is violating the right of free education for my children. But I am sure that there are people who don't really bother if their children are taught by veiled teachers etc.
Tha last thing is that don't try to brag about Iranian culture by comparing the way girls dress in Iran and in Arab countries. This is not but another sign of ignorance.
(at October 24, 2006 07:30 PM)
LOL at the picture, it's such a funny contrast :-)
I think technically it's wrong for politicians to suddenly come up and ask women to change their style, weather in Iran or in Britain. Even though I can understand where they're coming from: the fear of having communities inside Britain that are isolated or segregated from the rest. But instead of strongly suggesting them to remove the veil, maybe the government should do a bit more research on the reasons of segregation and ways to improve it.
I totally agree with you that covering the face is not a religious thing and women who think Islam has asked them to cover their face suffer from a degree of religious ignorance. The Haj dresscode for women was a very good example.
(at October 24, 2006 10:34 PM)
you know what? women are like sexual organs, don't you cover your own sexual organ? if you do so you should also cover the whole of the female body. pity they still have to use their eyes to see. muslim scientists have to work more to develop some sort of bionic eye for women so they can comfortably hide under their burka. mind you middle ages armour would also do the job.
ps: sexual organs dont have a mind of their own.
(at October 25, 2006 11:07 AM)
I think it's inappropriate for politicians to comment on religious manners and habits of people.
on the other hand as nazanin mentioned, someone must start a debate and enlighten those who think religion (in this case islam) has ordered women to cover up like 4-shanbe soori ghosts.
(at October 27, 2006 09:17 AM)
Hello!
I think what people are wearing is up to them but as long as they are free to choose and they are adults. But I can't accept seeing children wearing scarf somthing I have seen alot here in Sweden. I consider it as child abuse and it realy hurts me.:(
Good luck you all!
(at October 27, 2006 12:09 PM)
To mitra, i can see where you're coming from, but don't parents have a right to chose how they're child is bought up? you say it hurt you to see kids wearing the headscarf, but when i walk down the road in london and see some non-muslims dressing their 10-year old children in mini-skirts and clothes that effectivly make them look like hookers, it makes me think that theyre not going to have any chance at reaching the age of 15 without getting pregnant. i am aware this is an generalisation, but i think you can see my point... i'm not by any means a very religious person, but i don't see that tehre's anything wrong with trying to bring up your children in a way u percieve to be right. and everyone's fully entitled to dress the way they want. everyone in the world, both muslim and non-muslim just needs to learn a little acceptance, and stop looking for reasons to hate each other.
still, the whole contrast in the way people dess is quite ironic though.
(at October 28, 2006 08:23 PM)
I agree that dressing is a personal choice.
But after all we are are humans and similar in many ways. Body language and especially facial expressions are the most important signals in communication. Women who prefer to cover up their faces will naturally not be able to communicate well. Maybe they're ok with that, but then isn't having isolated pockets of non-communicating people a problem in our society?
I also agree with the author of the post in her religious point of view. It's women's choice if they want to cover up from head to toe. But both those females as well as the British government should know that the religion of Islam has not preached such a behaviour. This is a fact.
(at October 29, 2006 01:20 PM)
For goodness' sake, common guys! let women wear whatever f*** they want! How is that suddenly the biggest problem in Britain? If women don't want to socialise with the rest of the society then let them remain f***ing isolated. Most of them better stay under veil anyway, people would suffer less from their unshaved mustaches!
What's this whole thing about Islam and veil? Is it even worth wasting time on? There are many more problems in Islam and other religions, and dissociating veil from Islam is not going to paint a beautiful modern image of this ancient vague tribal tradition.
(at October 29, 2006 04:35 PM)
fair point,personal choice to choose what we want to wear.but the thing I don't get is,why don't these people stay in their own countries and dress however they like rather than coming e.g. to UK and do this?
Last Xmas there was an arguement that because there are people from different religions here,we shouldn't have lights in the streets for Xmas!!!
I just can say "When you are in Rome,do as Romans do."
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