The Cult of the Suicide Bomber

I don't know if any of you watched this program on Channel 4 last night or not, but it was interesting. Ex-CIA field officer Bob Baer explores the roots of suicide bombing use of martyrdom in the battlefield by Shia armed forces in Iran and Lebanon. And the interesting point is everything he investigates is partly related to Iran, e.g. the idea of suicide bombing started in Iran v. Iraq war, when Hossein Fahmideh blew himself up to stop Iraqi troops passing with their tanks. It was the first part of the series and the second part would be next Thursday at 9 pm on Channel 4. Do you think everything should be blamed on Iran? Why now when they have issues with nuclear developements in Iran, they show this kind of programs? and a big question, why never they say anything about Pakistan? the country who supported Taliban when Iran was attacking them?
ye, that was really interesting.because they're pretending to show a simply film about the beliefes of Iranian people.
but if u think about the whole latest events in london, u will find out what they'r looking for.
I suppose all the thing they have showon in any programme about Iran , is to pretend that muslem people epecially Iranian are TErorist.
(at August 5, 2005 03:25 PM)
Good point at the end really. I live with a Pakestani and I said the same thing to him last night. Even before Parviz mosharaf took over, the west is never worried about Pakistan, why? To me it's simply because " they are trusted" as the western politics sometimes signals " we are not trusted, unpredictable", I dont want to say that the pakistani government doesn't reflect the people just like the Iranian government (oops I just said it), maybe Our politicians dont talk English and theirs DO! :) not a joke consider it.
(at August 5, 2005 03:27 PM)
The focus of the program and the people who made it was enough for me to completely ignore it. However, unfortunately many others would not ignore it and would probably believe what the program is trying to say.
So Iran is the land of suicide bombers? Great! Why? Because all of the Sept. 11 terrorists were Saudi and Yemeni Arabs. Because the London suicide bombers were North Africans, Pakistanis and even Caribbeans. or maybe because all the suicide bombers in Iraq are Iraqi (and even not Shia). Oh I forgot that the WWII suicide bombers were Japanese.
Sometimes it's so funny when you watch how amazingly stupid and ignorant people like Bob Baer use their own nation's wealth to broadcast nonsense.
And if this is the quality of reports CIA receives from its field officers, they are in serious trouble.
(at August 5, 2005 04:10 PM)
"Why now when they have issues with nuclear developements in Iran, they show this kind of programs?"
No, I think the timing must be coincidental. A network channel's schedule is determined long before.
But about the program's content, that was just baloney and proved just how uneducated they are.
What Hossein Fahmideh did was by no means suicide bombing targetting civilians. What he did is done over and over in many wars by many nationalities. There are tons of soldiers sacrificing their lives not to let their enemies edge up one inch closer or even to slow their advance down.
Suicide bombing as a mean to terrorize or assassinate was first used by Tamil Tigers in the modern times. Their history and use of suicide bombing worth a google.
(at August 5, 2005 04:33 PM)
great feedback but shame not most of the people in our society that we live in,know these things;I agree with all of you.
(at August 5, 2005 06:40 PM)
Well… I wanted to write something about it today, but King Robert carried out the burden in time. Things clearly not genuine like mentioned documentary always has a direct link to governments policies (in this case United States), however so many other known and unknown issues laid on as well. If you consider bunch of recent years documentaries made by Iranian national TV… they do very much the same; attempt to make their best to find suitable nodes and make a network out of them to reach the satisfactory conclusion again base on the pre-defined policy.
Regardless of points mentioned above, there is a very big question mark about this programme which I am still completely surprised. In English comprehension, as far as I know, there are two different definitions to explain the act of suicide in this special way.
* The one, define a person who takes his life to defend his own country against the brutal enemy, as Fahmide did and also as Kamikaze pilots did in Second World War.
* The second definition is totally different and the “suicide bombers” (which usually used by media to call this violent act) is refer to this. It has a different willing and a different felling. It is definitely in an opposite position of the humanity; hence it is totally convicted in all the religions.
Although the first category is not a smart act and there is so many confliction exists whole over the idea but in some way people adore somebody like Fahmide or Kamikaze. In contrast, all type of human beings condemns the second category.
Surprisingly, if you want too quest in history regarding the nature of voluntarily suicide bombers, you should refer to Kamikaze pilots not even Fahmide case in Iran!
(at August 6, 2005 12:06 AM)
hello. baba kojayeh kari . dont u know about western politics. or in ur case european politics lol. its all about timing and opporutinty . kholaseh thise things happne for someone's benefit. and me and u are not considered SOME ONE.
(at August 6, 2005 01:47 AM)
dear eshg, maybe you're not SOME ONE, but I am and I suppose everyone who writes here is. that's why we write
(at August 6, 2005 05:41 AM)
Nice comments from all of you!!! I am a proud Iranian. My (our) ancestors are Cyrus the Great, Dariush, Hafez, Saadi, Ferdowsi just to name a few.
We Iranians are gentle, harmless and very patient people. We have nothing to do with suicide bombing, extremism and all that shit.
Due to Iran's social and political issues we spend most of our time criticizing ourselves, but we should never forget what GREAT NATION WE ARE.
I've always hated European foreign policies, these guys are devils, 'sad rahmat be Amrika'.
"Lanat be mollah va vatan foorooshan, doorood ba ma Iranian. Payande bad IRAN.
(at August 6, 2005 08:27 AM)
LOL I loved the program :E and I love the American foreign policy for their support of all the biggest terrorist-breeding dictator and corrupt governments in the region such as Pakistan and Saudi (and Saddam). If they continue their extremely clever foreign policy a bit longer they will greatly help Iran become similar to one of those countries as well.
I'm planning to get some of the available CIA reports and go through them once again, to learn more about my country, its history, and all the atrocious crimes that Iranian civilians commited against peaceful and cute Iraqi troops during their invasion to Iran in the 80's.
Meanwhile I'm looking forward to the second part of this tv show to learn more about decent foreign policy, from my great mentors, the likes of rumsfeld and rice. I suggest you all (specially unity) to do so.
Peace
(at August 6, 2005 09:58 PM)
Although I didn't see the program, I would like to add to a comment above. There are essentialy two types of suicide bombing. The one used by Iran or Iranian volunteers during the war was a military tactic and the targets were always soldiers (often on Iranian soil). This tactic is obviously hard to defend against and is generally used by the weaker party in the conflict. The later form of suicide bombing that we saw in New York and London, targets civilians, it is the work of "terrorists", it is completely different. Iran, as far as I know, has never produced such terrorists and has never used such tactics. These are facts, whether you like it (the Iranian government that is) or not.
(at August 7, 2005 03:46 PM)
what they say it is not mostly lie but the programme was biased and they don't tell the whole truth and also misguide the audience. what iranian did wasn't suicide bombing. that was a proper was and soldiers sacrifice themselves in any war. if that was suicide bombing, then Japanese kamikaze idea was the innovator of suicide bombing not Hosein Fahmideh. there has n't been even one Shiat suicide bomber who bombed civilians anywhere in the world (except some in Lebanon which is a different story as Israel was invador). all of suicide bombers are sunni and from alqaede and actually they don't like shiites.
the other thing is that he saie Khomeini told people go and kill your self. but what khomeini said was go and fight and don't be afraid of getting killed, you are the winner either way, if you win or if you die. this is not suicide bombing

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