Deev's new song
Deev has released their new rap song called "Iranian Soldier", which talks about freedom, patriotism and the Lion-and-Sun symbol of the flag.
Regardless of the political concepts of the song i think that the music is rubbish since this kind of singing is not compatible with persian words .Basicaly , i am not agree with this kind of music which is come from USA. I dont know what is the value of this kind of music .composer?musical instruments???? nothing
just bam bam bam bam .... and talking without any rithm
(at June 30, 2004 08:49 PM)
You might not like this type of music personally, but in my opinion Persian words and Deev's rythms get along very well. The problem is with Persian music not being able to evolve into new forms. What Persian music we have? only 2 types: Traditional (shajarian, Nazeri, etc) and dambalo doombool from Los Angeles. I much prefer an alternative music, and Deev is trying to create on of these alternatives. It never hurts to try new things. Just look at the previous post (word of wisdom) that I just read.
(at June 30, 2004 10:14 PM)
i am not agree with you that we have just 2 types .we have three type :1-traditional 2-dambolo dimbol 3- considerable persian pop music
basicaly , my favorite music is Flamenco so i do not have a good background on perisan traditional music .but we have good pop vocalists such as 1- Daryoush 2- Ebi 3- Gogoosh 4 - ....
and i want to mention Alireza Assar as well.
i attend his concert last three years .his performance with Foad Hejazi was brilliant .believe me ! , (i was professional guitar player two years ago( not now)so i considered everything ).
i was realy shocked that we have such a talent muscial group .in terms of political song ,i think one of his song which its name is "Khyabankhabha " is not comparible with Deev song .A good composer ,fantastic poem ,brilliant performance ,...
we have another immortal song ( about Politic)such as " Khalij " .can you compare khalij with this song which i dont think that the composer has put much effort on it.
in this kind of music we have so many songs which it is not possible to count them
please dont forget our history ,so many songs have affected our history
can you deny the influnce of "Jomeha" from my favorite singer Farhad on our history?
what about "gonjeshkake Ashimashi" (from Farhad)
what about "Vatan" (from Daryoush)
what about "Ghozake Pa" (from Fereydoune Foroghi)
this kind of music (deev music) will be forgotten in the future since 1- it is come from another country so it is not compatible with our music
2-totally this kind of music it is not valuable .i refer you to read more about composing a song ,this kind of music dont have any rihtm ,harmony ,... they dont use any musical instrument !!!
do you still want to compare ?
i look forward to hearing from you
(at June 30, 2004 11:59 PM)
Mehdi, what's wrong with experimenting new forms of music? Should we only keep 3 styles of music in Iran and not allow anyone else try anything new? Deev or rap in general is not my favourite music genre, but I'm very curious to listen to new forms of music especially with Persian lyrics to see how it sounds like.
In the past 25 years in Iran, alternative forms of music did not have the chance to grow and evolve, so we are left with only 3 types. Look in the west for example, how many different styles of music has emerged in the US or the UK for example? None of them existed before.
Finally, there are a considerable number of Iranians living in Europe and US. It's not strange to see them developing new forms of Persian music outside Iran.
(at July 1, 2004 12:30 AM)
Mehdi, can u tell me what part of our pop music is exactly iranian?! of course it was kind of influence from western pop music, then we mixed it with our own words and now have it as what it is, or ur favourite: Flamenco (as u were expert in it), is it pure iranian?! come on, if u look at the history of art in general u will understand that artists had to perform their ideas in different concepts and it’s impossible to say NO in any art topic, artist r free to express themselves but in iran we still have limits even if u study at the art university, u have to learn how to censure ur own idea, now u reminded me of that situation again. Well….
(at July 1, 2004 08:27 AM)
Let me take the middle ground. I sort of agree with Mehdi that it sounds "Strange", I am not used to hear persian music in this style. But then again agree with Nazli, our grandparents were not used to any form of pop music either, and you can't (and shouldn't) stop people from innovating and expressing themselves. If Deev's music sounds like bam-bam-bam, then traditional music also sounds like "heyyyyyyyyyy-haaayyyyy-jaaaaanaaaaaa", and also 95% of times pop music has got rubbish lyrics (noono paniro sabzi... what the hell? is that your song mr dariush?) :)))) payande bashid
(at July 1, 2004 10:03 AM)
Nazli, Flamenco is traditional music of spain what is its relation with persian music???i wrote that my favorite music is Flamenco so i know what is Flamnco (the rule,...)but i dont have a good background of traditional music of Iran so this is why that i did not mention traditional music of Iran .
i am totaly disagree with you that western pop music has left an impresion on all persian music .i will be very happy to let me know that which western pop music has affected on Jomeha from Farhad or Ghozake Pa from Fereydoon Foroghi or Kahlij from Ebi?
i divide pop music of each country into two group 1- rubbish and 2 -considerable .
More over ,Nazli ,i have so many freinds who are/were studying in art university in Iran .
unfortunately ,the majority of them want to be exceptional . .they think that post modern is some thing that just they know from their perception .i give you an example .i went to gallery of one of them. she/he (since some of my freinds read this weblog i write he/she ,it is better)drew some lines as painting .i ask him/her could you please explain to me what is it i am not realy clever to understand! . he/she replyed me no! since it is post modern !!!!
another time i went to the party of one of them all of them were studing music .but i think that most of them were crazy ,they did not study his course but they heard Metalica .if you wanted to discuss with them about music they replyed you "i am studing music but you are just playing music instrument so i know better than you " .
expressing your idea is good , i support you .but i dont know that had you been in department of music in Iran ? .they think that to be exceptional is to screaming ,to smoking ,(for example for girl is to useing fuck and ... in general speaking ). Believe me i had a so many freinds that they changed totaly after going to university .
Reza! if 95 percentage of our music is rubbish but 5 percentage is valuable same as other country ,i think you should heard the music here that its lyrics is just "shut up shut up" from the begining to the end !!
(at July 1, 2004 04:36 PM)
Sorry i still disagree with u as i spent my B.A and my master in art universities in Tehran!(both private and public), there r good and bad in all universities, and i never changed (friends who know me would agree) the problem is u think the way u see the world is right and when other say something else they r wrong, u cannot say postmodern (i guess it was an abstract) works r rubbish cause u cannot understand it, then why there r lots of good artists in this world wasting their time, each concept in art has its own viewer, who can make a connection with it.
I don't know what r u studying but i just feel u see everything black and white, and the last word, don't try to judge ppl with their appearance, cause this is the thing that Islamic government in iran put in our head, sorry but frankly this is what i see in ur words!
(at July 1, 2004 05:16 PM)
Firstly, we all go to university to change. What's the point of going to university and not changing? Especially in a controlled society like the one in Iran, university is the first "open" world that many students practice. They study new subjects, socialise with new people and consequently experience new things both good and bad. This is an important phase for every teenager. They experience a completely new life style. They change.
Secondly, if you don't understand the meaning of a painting, it doesn't mean it's bad or waste of time. I usually don't understand most abstract and post modern stuff, but then there are certain things that I really enjoy. That's how art is. I guess you come from an engineering background (as do I). We tend to see everything as right or wrong (as Nazli pointed out). There is no right and wrong in art. Come on you play music, can you ever say pop is the best form of music and traditional chinese music is crap? How does it sound like, if I say Kurosh Yaghmai is the only good pop singer and all others are crap? No one can make such claims. Even the worst los angeles or iranian pop singers have their group of fans.
Last but not least, if a heroin addict loves Ebi's music, it doesn't mean Ebi is bad. You can't say music students are crazy because they like Metallica. You can't stereotype people this way.
(at July 1, 2004 07:05 PM)
mehdi, something about pop music that I missed: Pop music as we know it is a western phenomenon. Pop music in Iran is totally inspired by western pop. There was NO pop music in Iran 100 years ago and all Iranian pop singers were and still are influenced by their western counterparts. But Iranian artists such as Farhad, Fereydoon Foroghi etc where brave and talented enough to try this western style and create masterpieces.
(at July 1, 2004 07:10 PM)
Sorry , i know that you are so angry .
but some thing that you wrote about my comment were wrong ,i did not said that i disagree with post modern ,i never said that the people who studied in art university are bad (come on the poeple who i talked about , are my realy close freinds ).actualy i am doing my dissertation in fuzzy logic so how can i see every thing black and white while i am working on Fuzzy (the people who works on fuzzy logic whould support ).
in my whole life i never told that a kind of art is absolutely wrong and then close my eyes and ears .you did not get my point .our brain is logic .i have not studied on a art university but i like art issues and i am reading about them (specialy in music ).we should talk about every thing inductively. the answer "it is your problem if you cant understand " is totaly wrong. i wil be realy happey to be justified about the (as an example)Deev music .please by reason ,dont say it is something new and so on ...every thing should be valid.
More over i am totaly disagree with your last sentences that "this is the thing that Islamic government in iran put in our head".i am realy confused that what is the relation with controversial issue about the art with Islamic government ???why we are looking forward to making relation with Islamic government ? if i have a idea that it is diffrent with your idea it means that Islamic government has put it in my mind ?what about the value of our brain ?
when i judged poeple with their appearance ?i am completely disagree with this idea .i think my appearence is worse than so many people in Iran .please talk about this controversial issue with a logic .
for example Reza has written :" If Deev's music sounds like bam-bam-bam, then traditional music also sounds like "heyyyyyyyyyy-haaayyyyy-jaaaaanaaaaaa".this could be a reason i am agree with him that some of our traditional song is so boring .
(at July 1, 2004 08:01 PM)
VAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy ,sorry parthisan you wrote your commnent when i was writing so i did not see your new massage .God help me .vaaaaaaaaaaay
i think it is my problem that i could not write exactly some thing that it is in my mind .i never told that smoking is bad ,i never told that Metalica is bad (as i love some of its song such as nothing else matter ) .i never told that screaming is bad ,i never told that that ,.....
i told talking without logic is totaly wrong in my point of view
Dont forget ,pop music is not for any country !pop music is popular music for all the countries in the world .the perisan pop music is strictly for only perisan culture .nowadays due to the global village soncept some countries have affected from each other .for example ,you cant deny the effect of spanish music in the world music .
i am enjoying of our discussion ,i had not had this kind of discussion since i left my freinds in Iran.
(at July 1, 2004 08:15 PM)
Mehdi jan, maybe we got you wrong, but what you said in your previous comments is a typical example of "stereotyping" people. I'm happy that we are all trying to write in English (rather than Penglish), however I appreciate if you spend a bit more time in order to express yourself more clearly (you seem to be in hurry sometimes, not being able to phrase your sentences in the way you want).
Pop music literally means popular music, correct. But ((the form of Persian pop music we're familiar with)) was modeled after (or inspired by) western popular music. It wasn't invented in Iran.
(at July 1, 2004 08:49 PM)
Mehdi you can't validate everything in the world with logic. For example, can you please tell me in what way Picasso's artworks are logical? or Salvador Dali's? By which logic Gipsy Kings' music is good?
There is no logic there, you just like them. You're an artist when you express your feelings through your artwork, whether it's 3 lines or a black dot or a chinese traditional music or ...
(at July 1, 2004 09:01 PM)
cheers parthisan that's the thing i wanted to say but seems as much as we say Mehdi insists that he didn't say anything wrong and offended any of art students, first he says "they think that to be exceptional is to screaming ,to smoking ,(for example for girl is to *useing fuck and ... in general speaking )" and then he says "when i judged *poeple with their appearance ?i am completely disagree with this idea." ok then tell me which one is ur real thought!!!! Enough for me! i am tired of repeating myself, mehdi plz try to think more before start commenting, cheers.
*ps: in these two sentences u had two spelling error,useing! and poeple! plz don't rush and read ur comment more carefully.
(at July 1, 2004 09:16 PM)
Nazli !i still insist on my sentence "they think that to be exceptional is to screaming ,to smoking ,(for example for girl is to using fuck and ... in general speaking )" .if your idea is diffrent with me please dont accuse me to saying some thing without thinking !!!!!!! this is the rule of discussion ?
i give an statistical example .instead of being angry lets take a narrower approach .why more than 40 percentage of the member of the orchestras in Iran have not graduated from a department of music ? my point was not the appearance .i think you have a misunderstanding .
Parthisan ! i think pop music for each country is invented by itself . can you compare the good pop song of Iran with a good pop song in western ? it is correct to say that some musical instruments such as electric Guitar and ...is invented in western . but the song itself is totaly diffrent but i wrote that due to the globalization some country has affected each others . i give you some examples ,
Paco de lucia who is best flamenco guitar player has inspired of a traditional persian player whose name is Zaryab .
Nosrat Fatah Ali khan is one of the famouse composer and singer who has affact on some western songs .
Brayan Adams has so many songs which have affacted by other kind of music
....
when some things leaves an impression on you ,it should have a reason .
(at July 1, 2004 10:23 PM)
Smoking hash, screaming and using the f word is indeed very especial, or 'exceptional' as you said. isn't it?
sorry i was just passing by :)
(at July 1, 2004 11:15 PM)
Mehdi, let me quote part of your comments and then you will realise why Nazli was offended:
“they were studying in art university in Iran. unfortunately, THE MAJORITY OF THEM want to be exceptional and think that post modern is some thing that just they know from their perception...”
“...they were studing music. but i think that MOST OF THEM WERE CRAZY and think that to be exceptional is to screaming, to smoking, (for example for girl is to useing fuck and... in general speaking)”
How can you so easily claim that THE MAJORITY of art students were such and such and MOST OF THE MUSIC STUDENTS were crazy? This is bad generalising without any rational, it's stereotyping. I'm sure there are students who smoke or scream, but I would never claim "Most of them" are crazy or "the majority of them" were such and such. No wonder she was offended.
(at July 1, 2004 11:45 PM)
Mehdi! honey! you can't combine verbs "to be" and "to agree" together! for such an infinitive(to be agree)DOES NOT exist! It is wrong to say: "40 percentage of ..." and must be said "40 percent of..." or "a percentage of 40".Honey! you can't make these things up!
parthisan! it is according to some rules(that deffinitely exist)that there are diffrent type of virtual arts.That's why one(an expert if you like)is able to catagorises art works.
I can't believe you guys spent such a long time, commenting eachother... seriously! get a life!
(at July 2, 2004 03:35 PM)
Parthisan
I think you have a misunderstanding as well .i said in my view ,the majority of people who attended on that party were crazy (sorry the world was impolite ,forgive me ).i never told that the majority of people who are studing in art university are crazy !!!!!!! please please please please write my comment precisly .i am realy confused that in which part of my comment i have written smoking is bad ?!!!please inform me .
(at July 2, 2004 04:52 PM)
Parthisan
I think you have a misunderstanding as well .i said in my view ,the majority of people who attended on that party were crazy (sorry the world was impolite ,forgive me ).i never told that the majority of people who are studing in art university are crazy !!!!!!! please please please please read my comment precisly .i am realy confused that in which part of my comment i have written smoking is bad ?!!!please inform me .
(at July 2, 2004 04:53 PM)
I'm done with this commenting here. Mehdi If everybody has misunderstood you, then perhaps you'd better spend more time on writing your comments in a more understandable way.
(at July 3, 2004 01:42 PM)
I am happy to see the debate.But it seems to be destructive,'cause seems Mehdi have confused both himself and also others with commenting on something which is quiet self-explanatory. Pop music,is from Popular music and I think we can say that western artists were always at least a few miles ahead of us.There is no need to be offensive,but Deev is trying to be both up-to-dated and also political,which is perfect.In this way he will gain attention of the new generation which are into western music.(Let's concentrate on more important issues rather than trying to destroy everyone who is trying to do something in a possible way).
And remember Mehdi even some people who didn't want to listen to Deev's song,or even didn't know him,they are now interested to listen to it,thanks to your comment :o)
(at July 3, 2004 08:01 PM)
thanks Kings robet .I think you are right .Maybe my comment was quiet self-explanatory .But belive me that it was true in some circumstances .
i dont define the word "up to date" with Deev's music . if a composer inspirs of western music it is good ,but not totally ! this is not up to date music
as you know that one of the song of Stings has a Arabic melody (i have forgotten the name of the song i think it was Deseret).i think that is considerable .please imagine that one western vocalist uses english lyric in Arabic music whitout any innovation . this is not valuable music . do you support a music with this lyric "Baba Karaaaaam IIII love youuuuuuu (ba hamoon ritme gherish ).by the way ,what do you mean by "up to date "?
and regaridng to your last sentences .this is due to its political concept .
"Look ,Look ,he is ridiculing the Islamic government ,then it is very nice music ".do you understand my point ? regardless of music ,just political issues were taken into account .Nowadays ,Our people look forward to hearing a music which ridicules the Iran government . i am interested as well but music should be important .
(at July 4, 2004 12:41 AM)
nice, intelegent people talking about me, what an honor, here's my input, music doesn't know borders so the fact that i've used a western style is not a sin, also i don't expect everyone to like my style so for those who don't like it i say don't listen to it =)
peace
(at August 3, 2004 08:25 AM)
Hi, Can anyone tell where to find the Track Gonjeshkake Ashimashi (Soundtrack of Gavaznha)?
Plz help me out to find this wordlclass track which represents our culture.
sencerly,
Houman
(at August 13, 2004 06:02 PM)
Iranian sound tracks are not likely to be sold on international music shops. Try Kaaza and WinMX, but I would go to ValiAsr and Enghelab streets looking for it.
(at August 13, 2004 06:38 PM)
Greetings,
Problem is that my house is a little far,(6000 km Prox.).
And Kazaa I allready tried, found nothing.
SOS, plz.
groetjes Houman
(at August 13, 2004 08:09 PM)
please check that out
A new world music flamenco guitarist released
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(at September 29, 2004 02:22 AM)
salam
man aghil hastam az iran
kasi tarikhche pop music iran ro midone?
lotfan age etelaati darin be man ham bedid
mamnon aghil129@yahoo.com
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